I don't think it's possible to sum up the state of Britain better than the fact that Mike Freer, a gay MP, has decided to leave politics because of death threats from Islamist extremists.
KK: I sympathise, but hating these people isn't going to achieve anything. I suggest that the priority is to identify - name, position etc. - the individuals who are making these decisions. For example, who allowed Ezedi to stay here after his asylum applications had been rejected and (especially) after he'd been convicted of a sex offence , who was the 'priest' who said he'd become a Christian ... and who was it who then approved his third asylum application?
You are just scattering the problem in all different directions. Konstantin has it right. If hating these people inspires us to do something about our futile Government then this hate is well needed. No one is coming along to sort this out. We can not vote a better Government in because the isn't one. It is up to us to sort this one out ourselves.
No Claudia, what I'm suggesting would I believe be a start towards a solution. No more. But, if the asylum procedures were conducted with full transparency (publicly available information about who is taking the decisions and why), I think we would begin to see a change in attitude by the officials involved. I believe there's a lot of truth in the old saying that transparency and accountability are the best disinfectant.
Listen to what Konstantin is telling us. Have the courage to hate without apologising for it. This is our country and it's worth fighting for. The Government has to much complacent complicity to change their ways. If you want transparency and accountability from the Government, ask yourself, who or what is going to encourage the government be do this? The complacent British people who are too polite and apologetic to hate, perhaps?
We can't vote this complacent complicit government out because from right to left its the same beast.
Once we find a replacement for this malignant government then we will have the key and something true to fight for. At the moment we need to all see and agree what the problem, and then we will find a solution. They say, the cure is within the disease. Maybe once we all agree what the problem is then the solution will be self evident and mostly likely has been in our faces all this time. Find your passion and love for your country. Thats what is going to guide you in what is right.
Thanks for your ‘like’ Claudia. I’d welcome your comment on the following.
There have been many excellent articles recently expressing serious concern (including hatred and despair) about our malign asylum system – prompted especially by the current Abdul Ezedi case. But I’m unaware that anyone has proposed a practical solution. And that's hardly surprising as it’s exceptionally hard to think of anything effective that could actually be done.
However, I believe there’s one approach that might possibly work. I said above that it should be a priority to identify - name, position etc. - the individuals who are making these decisions. So, how might that be achieved? Here’s my suggestion: we should try to persuade someone with an established public image (e.g. Konstantin, Matt Goodwin – maybe even Nigel Farage) to initiate a public campaign demanding full transparency regarding asylum decisions. I think that reasonable (and hardly radical) proposal would get a lot of support. And, if I’m right about that, it could be the beginning of something much bigger and more radical.
I agree with much of what you say. Fine words – but what’s needed is something practical. For example, you say:
‘Once we find a replacement for this malignant government then we will have the key and something true to fight for. At the moment we need to all see and agree what the problem, and then we will find a solution.’
I agree about this malignant government. But where’s the replacement? How do you propose to go about finding it? And I think everyone here can see the problem – our disastrous and senseless asylum system – but that doesn’t mean that the solution is, as you believe, self-evident. Far from it.
These people are ridiculous. We have the same problem in Canada. The worst sorts of unproductive, un-serious, power- and rent-seeking, verminous types, seek out power via political life.
I watched Newsnight and turned off the moment the Labour MP said the perpetrator's “asylum status was not the issue of concern". It was both shocking but also depressingly unsurprising. My read (which might be way off) was that she's happy for people people to take one for the team (team immigration) and be killed or mammed, rather than bring into question the 'diversity is our strength' pro immigration mantra. Being a minority, more immigration makes her feel safe. It both feeds into her a sense of victimhood and gives her a purpose. Its a means of making the country look a little bit more like her and less like the awful white majority, whatever the cost.
You write, "Abdul Shokoor Ezedi [is] an illegal immigrant who arrived in Britain from Afghanistan on a lorry in 2016."
Was the "lorry" strapped onto a cargo ship? Was it also a submarine? How can one drive a truck from Afghanistan to Britain?
Second, and seriously, you are right to hate these mealymouthed idiots because they have been fully compromised, having internalized all the hateful, vapid, socially corrosive cant from the neo-Marxist left. They will whine about "microaggressions" and call for struggle sessions while being stoned to death or burned at the stake.
Most likely when they talk about "lorry" they mean lorry containers for shipping. A lot of people smuggling is done that way all over the world. Even homes have been made out of old lorry containers. Don’t get so "greater then thou" about it.
Thanks for correcting me, granny. We here in the good ol' US of A distinguish between a truck and a cargo container. American English is in many ways better than the mother tongue of that once-proud island of Englishmen who have apparently rolled over for the women of their chattering class.
And I'm only greater than you, who shit on my joke. I hate literal-minded killjoys.
No, thank you for correcting me. I over stepped and forgot my place. Maybe it is my old granny brain or my empty headed woman brain of my chatting class that I mistook your joke as a toilet. So, very sorry for shitting on it🙄
Yes, as several people have pointed out, hatred is an awful emotion. But, in the past few years there have been the murders of Jo Cox and Sir David Amess and, now, fearing the same outcome, Mike Freer has decided to leave politics. And who can blame him. But we have to stand up to these assaults.: it is currently the most important topic that we face because these assaults threaten the foundations of our system. So, yes, awful as it may be, I think hate is the appropriate response.
I'm sure I'm not the first to make the point that 'civilized' reactions inevitably evaporate if you are dealing with a death cult - and Islamism does appear to be such a creature. There can be no 'normal' discourse if the other party favours death over life. Consequently, if you choose to hate the believers in the death cult you can set about disposing of them in hot blood. And that feels slightly more human than killing them in cold blood.
I agree. The current situation can't be maintained without some sort of major blowup happening eventually.
It breaks this Anglophile's heart to see what's happened to England. Your proclivity for toleration has been abused by a rogue class of home-grown Anglophobes behind the exploding North African Muslim immigrant population. Their experiment in multiculturalism was bound to fail with Muslims. They have not assimilated and cannot; they appear to be establishing their own little ghetto caliphates. What is it that turns people against their own history and culture?
The university and the chattering class it's grinding out like McDonaldburgers, that's what.
The problem is the Bubbles. Both that of the Metropolis and of the Party. MPs elected by local constituencies, then move to the Metropolis - London, Washington, Wellington (insert your local capital metropolis) that is saturated in Critical Theory (read WOKENESS) and their political party who wants to remain in, or gain power. The MP is then told by both bubbles what to think, how to act and it moves them into positions that no sane people in their constituencies would counternance. Thus MPs get divorced from the localities that elected them and swallowed by the metropolis and the party. Therefore, they fail to truly represent those and their interests that the MP was elected to serve, and come to serve only vested interests of the Party and Metropolis. What is the solution - I don't know.
KK your article has kept me awake all night. It wasn’t anything that you wrote. I agree with you 💯and I feel exactly the way you do. You have ignited a fiery passion and a love for this country inside me through your words. From that love is born a hate for what is complacent complicity to all that threatens to destroy our country. I thank you for making it clear in which direction out hate must go, in stead of stewing in self-pity and doom. No, what kept me awake last night was the response you got from it. “oh, hate is too strong a word.” And, “hate is pointless and impolite”. They would rather point to individual problems and say, “look how terrible. Someone should be made accountable for that”. Walking ignoring the correlating factors in all of these problems.
I am not just worried about the government’s mode of complacent complicity but the rest of the countries complacency to that mode. “Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men.”
I watched Francis engage in one of Peter Boghossian games. He asked a question as if this is a fact. “At what percentage do we surrender?” meaning to the extremists and terrorists when they out breed us. He asked it like when you see clouds in the sky and wonder “when is it going to rain?” as if it is a great certainty that it will happen. However, surely we would retaliate before we surrender. Are we going to be oblivious to what is happening around us? One day we hear “Allahu akbar” and say, “Where have all the British people gone. Oh, well we better surrender.”
Surrender not to survive but just to continue to be bred out of existence. The British politeness and inability to hate without apologising for it, is like the dodo, too easy to hunt and kill.
Konstantin please tell me I am wrong and there are more like you with the courage to have the passionate hate this country needs to protect it. To me this is like the Never Ending Story, where the “Nothing” is coming but it is the Government that is the “Nothing” allowing everything that will make our country nothing to continue.
Damn it KK, this is what happens if you travel the planet searching for the best minds to debate - at some point you can no longer tolerate the PR polished veneers of the superficial when back home - they just don't hold up to scrutiny and it hurts...it hurts because that once proud institution was once greater than the sum of its parts - an expression that sadly now only applies to its historic architecture.
Hi. I agree that hate is not the answer and I’ve been looking at DEI from a different perspective. We are focusing on race and gender but they are only part of the puzzle. The real issue is equity: equal outcome. In Canada, there has been widespread adoption of DEI by governments which means they decide our outcomes. We have anti-racism policies that declare that Canada is systemically racist due to colonialism (Western values). The government will dismantle barriers and if you read White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo and some of the other resources you learn that the barriers include individualism, capitalism, democracy and meritocracy. Take a look at the Wheel of Privilege and Power on the Canada.ca website to see all the categories of this policy. Think of this in terms of equity and how all of the identities will be collapsed into one band in the middle. This is already causing massive conflict and has had high human impact including a suicide after DEI training, loss of professional designations etc. We should not be fighting our fellow citizens but need to find a way to oppose the system - equity - that has placed us into conflict. I’m thinking of a petition to stop the use of DEI but I’m not sure our Canadian opposition government will do anything about it. Imagine a global change.org petition. Say NO to equity! Other thoughts or suggestions would be very welcome.
"Race and gender" are distractions, not part of any "puzzle." In fact, I would argue that "gender" is nothing but a semantic ploy to dominate conversations about sex and sexual orientation.
Anyway, DIE is a nightmare, and I get the impression that some apolitical capitalists are beginning to see it as a bureaucratic boondoggle. I'm rooting for you up there in the Frozen Dystopia. Good luck dismantling what Turd-eau and his fellow travelers have constructed.
I agree they are distractions but I’m trying to find language that will hopefully open a conversation. We are all pawns in this because white people with certain identities are at the centre of the wheel and there are 13 different categories of identity around the outside. Those at the middle are feeling threatened by what they are losing and those around the outside are feeling good that they are winning. Meanwhile, we are all losing because the real threat, the things that this ideology deems to be racist, include individualism, capitalism, democracy and meritocracy. If you are American, DEI is part of the Democratic Party platform, so I wouldn’t underestimate the problem there either. But it’s nice to see some states are pushing back.
Sorry I didn’t take it as criticism. We are all trying to articulate what is happening in the best way possible. And believe me, I get the ranting part! I really appreciate this forum as a way to share ideas. No one is really talking about the equity piece of DEI so I’m trying float the idea and come up with the best way of explaining it. Thank you for responding as it helps immensely!!
Hatred is a poison, but also a fuel,
And in this case warranted.
Told you before, I'll repeat, you are not alone Konstanin.
KK: I sympathise, but hating these people isn't going to achieve anything. I suggest that the priority is to identify - name, position etc. - the individuals who are making these decisions. For example, who allowed Ezedi to stay here after his asylum applications had been rejected and (especially) after he'd been convicted of a sex offence , who was the 'priest' who said he'd become a Christian ... and who was it who then approved his third asylum application?
You are just scattering the problem in all different directions. Konstantin has it right. If hating these people inspires us to do something about our futile Government then this hate is well needed. No one is coming along to sort this out. We can not vote a better Government in because the isn't one. It is up to us to sort this one out ourselves.
No Claudia, what I'm suggesting would I believe be a start towards a solution. No more. But, if the asylum procedures were conducted with full transparency (publicly available information about who is taking the decisions and why), I think we would begin to see a change in attitude by the officials involved. I believe there's a lot of truth in the old saying that transparency and accountability are the best disinfectant.
So, you believe the current government we have right to left are capable of such a thing?
No I don't. But I've suggested how we could make a start towards fixing this appalling problem. What do you propose we should do?
Listen to what Konstantin is telling us. Have the courage to hate without apologising for it. This is our country and it's worth fighting for. The Government has to much complacent complicity to change their ways. If you want transparency and accountability from the Government, ask yourself, who or what is going to encourage the government be do this? The complacent British people who are too polite and apologetic to hate, perhaps?
We can't vote this complacent complicit government out because from right to left its the same beast.
Once we find a replacement for this malignant government then we will have the key and something true to fight for. At the moment we need to all see and agree what the problem, and then we will find a solution. They say, the cure is within the disease. Maybe once we all agree what the problem is then the solution will be self evident and mostly likely has been in our faces all this time. Find your passion and love for your country. Thats what is going to guide you in what is right.
Thanks for your ‘like’ Claudia. I’d welcome your comment on the following.
There have been many excellent articles recently expressing serious concern (including hatred and despair) about our malign asylum system – prompted especially by the current Abdul Ezedi case. But I’m unaware that anyone has proposed a practical solution. And that's hardly surprising as it’s exceptionally hard to think of anything effective that could actually be done.
However, I believe there’s one approach that might possibly work. I said above that it should be a priority to identify - name, position etc. - the individuals who are making these decisions. So, how might that be achieved? Here’s my suggestion: we should try to persuade someone with an established public image (e.g. Konstantin, Matt Goodwin – maybe even Nigel Farage) to initiate a public campaign demanding full transparency regarding asylum decisions. I think that reasonable (and hardly radical) proposal would get a lot of support. And, if I’m right about that, it could be the beginning of something much bigger and more radical.
What do you think?
I agree with much of what you say. Fine words – but what’s needed is something practical. For example, you say:
‘Once we find a replacement for this malignant government then we will have the key and something true to fight for. At the moment we need to all see and agree what the problem, and then we will find a solution.’
I agree about this malignant government. But where’s the replacement? How do you propose to go about finding it? And I think everyone here can see the problem – our disastrous and senseless asylum system – but that doesn’t mean that the solution is, as you believe, self-evident. Far from it.
You have it right. As Donovan said, "He won't be coming around for to kill your snakes no more."
Just the weakness and softness KK is writing about. It has to be HATE to wake up and stand up!
OK Caroll - you hate, you wake up, you stand up. Then what?
Nothing wrong with hating especially in this case. Hate and call them out!
These people are ridiculous. We have the same problem in Canada. The worst sorts of unproductive, un-serious, power- and rent-seeking, verminous types, seek out power via political life.
The only plague that will work is to stop voting for them. As Peter Hitchens quipped, it only encourages them.
Not when their university-graduate minions outvote anyone else.
P.S.. How's that democracy working out for ya?
I watched Newsnight and turned off the moment the Labour MP said the perpetrator's “asylum status was not the issue of concern". It was both shocking but also depressingly unsurprising. My read (which might be way off) was that she's happy for people people to take one for the team (team immigration) and be killed or mammed, rather than bring into question the 'diversity is our strength' pro immigration mantra. Being a minority, more immigration makes her feel safe. It both feeds into her a sense of victimhood and gives her a purpose. Its a means of making the country look a little bit more like her and less like the awful white majority, whatever the cost.
So the solution to Islamist hate is to resign. That’ll sure teach them!
His family was under serious threat.
Exactly.
History tells us what happens next. The pendulum swings and everybody suffers.
First, I can't resist a cheap shot.
You write, "Abdul Shokoor Ezedi [is] an illegal immigrant who arrived in Britain from Afghanistan on a lorry in 2016."
Was the "lorry" strapped onto a cargo ship? Was it also a submarine? How can one drive a truck from Afghanistan to Britain?
Second, and seriously, you are right to hate these mealymouthed idiots because they have been fully compromised, having internalized all the hateful, vapid, socially corrosive cant from the neo-Marxist left. They will whine about "microaggressions" and call for struggle sessions while being stoned to death or burned at the stake.
Edited mixed construction
Most likely when they talk about "lorry" they mean lorry containers for shipping. A lot of people smuggling is done that way all over the world. Even homes have been made out of old lorry containers. Don’t get so "greater then thou" about it.
Thanks for correcting me, granny. We here in the good ol' US of A distinguish between a truck and a cargo container. American English is in many ways better than the mother tongue of that once-proud island of Englishmen who have apparently rolled over for the women of their chattering class.
And I'm only greater than you, who shit on my joke. I hate literal-minded killjoys.
No, thank you for correcting me. I over stepped and forgot my place. Maybe it is my old granny brain or my empty headed woman brain of my chatting class that I mistook your joke as a toilet. So, very sorry for shitting on it🙄
Yes, as several people have pointed out, hatred is an awful emotion. But, in the past few years there have been the murders of Jo Cox and Sir David Amess and, now, fearing the same outcome, Mike Freer has decided to leave politics. And who can blame him. But we have to stand up to these assaults.: it is currently the most important topic that we face because these assaults threaten the foundations of our system. So, yes, awful as it may be, I think hate is the appropriate response.
It may be awful but, as you admit, it's useful, being one emotion that can get someone off his ass.
Look at the hateful way the left bitches about "hate." I hate that.
Nice point :-)
I'm sure I'm not the first to make the point that 'civilized' reactions inevitably evaporate if you are dealing with a death cult - and Islamism does appear to be such a creature. There can be no 'normal' discourse if the other party favours death over life. Consequently, if you choose to hate the believers in the death cult you can set about disposing of them in hot blood. And that feels slightly more human than killing them in cold blood.
It is not a palatable choice!
I agree. The current situation can't be maintained without some sort of major blowup happening eventually.
It breaks this Anglophile's heart to see what's happened to England. Your proclivity for toleration has been abused by a rogue class of home-grown Anglophobes behind the exploding North African Muslim immigrant population. Their experiment in multiculturalism was bound to fail with Muslims. They have not assimilated and cannot; they appear to be establishing their own little ghetto caliphates. What is it that turns people against their own history and culture?
The university and the chattering class it's grinding out like McDonaldburgers, that's what.
The problem is the Bubbles. Both that of the Metropolis and of the Party. MPs elected by local constituencies, then move to the Metropolis - London, Washington, Wellington (insert your local capital metropolis) that is saturated in Critical Theory (read WOKENESS) and their political party who wants to remain in, or gain power. The MP is then told by both bubbles what to think, how to act and it moves them into positions that no sane people in their constituencies would counternance. Thus MPs get divorced from the localities that elected them and swallowed by the metropolis and the party. Therefore, they fail to truly represent those and their interests that the MP was elected to serve, and come to serve only vested interests of the Party and Metropolis. What is the solution - I don't know.
KK your article has kept me awake all night. It wasn’t anything that you wrote. I agree with you 💯and I feel exactly the way you do. You have ignited a fiery passion and a love for this country inside me through your words. From that love is born a hate for what is complacent complicity to all that threatens to destroy our country. I thank you for making it clear in which direction out hate must go, in stead of stewing in self-pity and doom. No, what kept me awake last night was the response you got from it. “oh, hate is too strong a word.” And, “hate is pointless and impolite”. They would rather point to individual problems and say, “look how terrible. Someone should be made accountable for that”. Walking ignoring the correlating factors in all of these problems.
I am not just worried about the government’s mode of complacent complicity but the rest of the countries complacency to that mode. “Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men.”
I watched Francis engage in one of Peter Boghossian games. He asked a question as if this is a fact. “At what percentage do we surrender?” meaning to the extremists and terrorists when they out breed us. He asked it like when you see clouds in the sky and wonder “when is it going to rain?” as if it is a great certainty that it will happen. However, surely we would retaliate before we surrender. Are we going to be oblivious to what is happening around us? One day we hear “Allahu akbar” and say, “Where have all the British people gone. Oh, well we better surrender.”
Surrender not to survive but just to continue to be bred out of existence. The British politeness and inability to hate without apologising for it, is like the dodo, too easy to hunt and kill.
Konstantin please tell me I am wrong and there are more like you with the courage to have the passionate hate this country needs to protect it. To me this is like the Never Ending Story, where the “Nothing” is coming but it is the Government that is the “Nothing” allowing everything that will make our country nothing to continue.
I love KK and wish there were more like you xxx
Damn it KK, this is what happens if you travel the planet searching for the best minds to debate - at some point you can no longer tolerate the PR polished veneers of the superficial when back home - they just don't hold up to scrutiny and it hurts...it hurts because that once proud institution was once greater than the sum of its parts - an expression that sadly now only applies to its historic architecture.
Sadly, I think things will need to get a whole lot worse before any navel-gazing begins. And by then, …
Hi. I agree that hate is not the answer and I’ve been looking at DEI from a different perspective. We are focusing on race and gender but they are only part of the puzzle. The real issue is equity: equal outcome. In Canada, there has been widespread adoption of DEI by governments which means they decide our outcomes. We have anti-racism policies that declare that Canada is systemically racist due to colonialism (Western values). The government will dismantle barriers and if you read White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo and some of the other resources you learn that the barriers include individualism, capitalism, democracy and meritocracy. Take a look at the Wheel of Privilege and Power on the Canada.ca website to see all the categories of this policy. Think of this in terms of equity and how all of the identities will be collapsed into one band in the middle. This is already causing massive conflict and has had high human impact including a suicide after DEI training, loss of professional designations etc. We should not be fighting our fellow citizens but need to find a way to oppose the system - equity - that has placed us into conflict. I’m thinking of a petition to stop the use of DEI but I’m not sure our Canadian opposition government will do anything about it. Imagine a global change.org petition. Say NO to equity! Other thoughts or suggestions would be very welcome.
"Race and gender" are distractions, not part of any "puzzle." In fact, I would argue that "gender" is nothing but a semantic ploy to dominate conversations about sex and sexual orientation.
Anyway, DIE is a nightmare, and I get the impression that some apolitical capitalists are beginning to see it as a bureaucratic boondoggle. I'm rooting for you up there in the Frozen Dystopia. Good luck dismantling what Turd-eau and his fellow travelers have constructed.
I agree they are distractions but I’m trying to find language that will hopefully open a conversation. We are all pawns in this because white people with certain identities are at the centre of the wheel and there are 13 different categories of identity around the outside. Those at the middle are feeling threatened by what they are losing and those around the outside are feeling good that they are winning. Meanwhile, we are all losing because the real threat, the things that this ideology deems to be racist, include individualism, capitalism, democracy and meritocracy. If you are American, DEI is part of the Democratic Party platform, so I wouldn’t underestimate the problem there either. But it’s nice to see some states are pushing back.
I'm with you 100%. I wasn't criticizing your word choice as much as I was using that as a starting point for my raving, a point of entry..
Sorry I didn’t take it as criticism. We are all trying to articulate what is happening in the best way possible. And believe me, I get the ranting part! I really appreciate this forum as a way to share ideas. No one is really talking about the equity piece of DEI so I’m trying float the idea and come up with the best way of explaining it. Thank you for responding as it helps immensely!!
I forgot to add that the anti-racism policies are based on the principle of equity.
“Because the terrorists, extremists and terrorists are what they are.”
Exactly. At least the terrorist are honest and open about their motivations unlike the politicians who lie to us for their own benefit.
If everyone whose family is under serious threat gives up, where does that leave us?