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Tim Pool Shows the World Kanye's True Face
In early 2019, I wrote an article for Quillette praising Tim Pool and Joe Rogan for their excellent interrogation of then Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey and then Twitter’s Global Lead For Legal Policy and Trust & Safety, Vijaya Gadde over issues of censorship.
While I frequently disagree with Tim’s views, as you can see from my own appearance on his show, I like and respect Tim - he’s a guy that follows his convictions with integrity and he’s worked his butt off to build an incredible online platform that deserves acknowledgement and recognition.
But, every now and again, I can’t help but wince at some of the guests who appear on his show. No more so, than when a friend messaged me last night to say that Kanye, Milo Yiannopoulos and Nick Fuentes were coming on Timcast. I will not spend time explaining why these people produced that reaction in me - I would encourage uninitiated readers to do their own research.
In any event, the three men were on Tim’s show last night to talk about a recent dinner with Donald Trump which caused mass controversy, with Trump’s Vice President Mike Pence calling on his former boss to apologise. This follows a string of comments by Kanye, including a tweet in which he promised to go to “death con 3” on Jewish people, which many believe are anti-Semitic.
As regular readers will know, my own view is that the nature and scale of racism in Western societies have been powerfully and purposefully exaggerated by a vocal minority who want power and attention. I do not believe that everyone who has ever said something that might be considered racially insensitive is a racist or should be treated as such. Furthermore, I do not believe it is possible to “eliminate racism” as many demand.
We currently live and will always live in societies that are not able to prevent much more serious crimes like rape, murder and terrorism - the idea that we will reach some sort of anti-racist utopia is not just a dream, it is a deliberate attempt to hold us to impossible standards to make sure we can never succeed. So that no one could ever explain in public, as I have done many times, that Britain, the US and much of the rest of the West are the most open, welcoming, tolerant countries in the history of humanity, without being smeared, misrepresented and attacked.
Like millions of people, I have watched the media attempt to pin the allegation of racism on innocent people, buildings and even the countryside. Like millions of people, when I hear that someone has been accused of being racist, my initial reaction is not what it once was. And herein lies the problem: if everyone is racist, then no one is. The reason this is such an issue is that while the allegations are often exaggerated or unfounded, they are still accurate some of the time because some people are racist.
With this in mind, I highly recommend watching the first 20 minutes of the attempted conversation between Kanye and Pool.
While Tim is keen to set the broader context and discuss the anti-Semitism allegations later, Kanye wants to get into it straight away. He explains that “they” want to put him in jail and “they” are trying to mess with his finances, with every “they” producing a knowing giggle from the other two guests.
While who “they” are is initially unclear, the confusion evaporates rapidly as Kanye explains that Obama was influenced by Rahm Emmanuel, his Jewish Chief of Staff, while Trump had Jared Kushner, his Jewish son-in-law and Senior Advisor, to do the same. He is about to launch into a history lesson as he begins to say “Since 1945…” but is interrupted by Pool who challenges Kanye to stop extrapolating from two individuals and projecting onto a whole ethnic group. This produces another rant from Kanye which ends when Pool says “I think they’ve been extremely unfair to you” and Kanye immediately shoots back with “Who is they though? We can’t say who they is, can we?”.
When Pool explains that they are the “corporate press” and that he doesn’t use the word “they” in the way that his guests do, Fuentes helpfully chimes in with “It is them though, isn’t it?”. Pool disagrees again and begins to explain why. Kanye storm outs in response.
The immediate aftermath is interesting also, with Kanye, who had seconds ago invoked his right to free speech, no longer in the room, Pool attempts to explain that he is happy to have people on the show and hear them out but when they start implying that the Jews are behind it all, he isn’t going to let that go without a conversation. It is at this point that Milo walks out to “make sure he’s cool”, followed by Fuentes. None of the guests are seen again, except when a member of staff enters the studio because “he wants his phone”.
As one of the people who winced on seeing the line-up on Timcast last night, I congratulate Tim on doing the very same thing I praised him for in 2019: asking the right questions in public. Few will walk away from watching this discussion with any doubt as to Kanye’s inability to separate individual Jewish people he has beef with from Jewish people as a whole. His thinking is clearly racist and he appears to be spending increasing amounts of time around people who share such views.
That is his right and I have no wish to see him cancelled, banned from making music or prevented from having a career in politics. But it was extremely useful to see his views challenged and I am glad the conversation happened. A textbook example of free speech working as intended - well done, Tim!
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